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Stress And Pain Management: The Multimodal Protocol With Dr. Bob Levine

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Alternative therapies are only alternative insofar as they are not covered by medical insurance, but that doesn’t mean they cannot be as effective as conventional methods in relieving pain. This episode’s guest, stress and pain relief specialist Dr. Bob Levine, takes alternative therapy a step further by focusing on using his proprietary multimodal approach in stress and pain management. Dr. Levine joins Dr. Kevin Pecca to talk about the stress and pain management, the multimodal approach, automatic pattern interruption, and more. He also gives a plug to the various stress and pain management programs that are available as viable options to patients struggling from chronic pain, especially those who fail to find relief in conventional medicine. Dr. Levine views disease as a function of resistance and as something that can be managed by reducing stress and anxiety and promoting acceptance and forgiveness.


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Stress And Pain Management: The Multimodal Protocol With Dr. Bob Levine

We have a recurring guest, Dr. Bob Levine. He is a pain and stress management specialist. What I love most about Dr. Levine’s work is he does seminars and workshops, where he specializes in getting large groups of people pain-free from the comfort of their own home. He also does individual coaching sessions and strategies to get people individually better. He’s got some great new programs out that you can become pain-free and stress-free from home. He’s got some great tools and exercises he gives people through his home videos, his home programs and it’s all tailored uniquely to the person trying to get out of pain. I love everything Dr. Bob is doing. He is a wealth of knowledge on everyday stress tips and home exercises. He’s very good at what he does and he’s helping a lot of people. Please welcome, Dr. Bob Levine.


We have a very special knowledgeable guest, Dr. Bob Levine, who is a stress and pain relief specialist. One of the most beautiful parts about Dr. Bob’s work is he does most of it virtually. What a better time than now to learn how to take care of yourself online virtually, get you out of pain and relieve the stress. It’s Dr. Bob’s second appearance on the show. The first episode we had him on, he went through his life story. He’s an incredible and knowledgeable doctor. It’s a pleasure and honor to have him back on the show. Dr Bob, how are you?

I’m well in general given the circumstances, and thanks for having me on the show again. The last time we were together, we got into it. We ran for a couple hours almost. It was fantastic. It was a lot of fun. I want to acknowledge you for having this great show because you do a fantastic job. It’s all transcribed and it’s out there. People can get to it. It’s wonderful.

Dr. Bob, for those who are tuning in for the first time, who are you and what do you do?

I got my PhD in Pharmacology from George Washington University. I did brain research for over 30 years, neurological and psychiatric illnesses and looking at the fundamental mechanisms. I also did some clinical studies in that regard. Many years ago, I needed to get into alternative therapies for my chronic bad back and hip problem, which was not resolved by conventional care. The prognosis was I’d have to wait as long as possible to get a hip replacement and that was age 40 at the time. That is not the future I’m looking for. I started exploring alternative therapies, including chiropractic and many others and they were all great. In the end, I was able to finally get rid of the pain and all of the problems that I was having, no sports, no nothing, gaining weight. I was able to turn all that around. I realized the importance of these “alternative therapies.” I only say alternative because they’re not covered by health insurance.

I rededicated my career to learn about alternative therapies. I got a lot of training in many different kinds of therapies. I ran clinical trials at Henry Ford Health System in Detroit, Michigan to test the therapies, what worked and what didn’t. We went from doing one-on-one care to doing large in-person groups. I did large in-person groups at Chrysler, Dow Chemical, Blue Cross Blue Shield in Michigan and others with several thousand people to prove or not what worked and what didn’t work. I was able to show the multimodal protocol, which is important. Multimodal means treating a condition with many different therapies at the same time, bringing them together.

I was able to show that our multimodal protocol, which was a hands-off protocol and we weren’t touching anybody, was effective at helping people relieve chronic pain without drugs, get off of drugs, relieve stress, relieve anxiety. We tracked pain, stress, anxiety, sleep disturbance and depression symptoms among other things. All of those markers were significantly reduced in these large group programs, anywhere from 50 to 200 people at a time. Because we were doing hands off, I was able to bring it online. Once you show you can do something and we have all the research data to show that.

You are not touching anybody. It’s a completely hands-off approach. How in the world are you helping these people get out of pain?

There are a lot of different strategies in this multimodal protocol. The hallmark of it as we call it automatic pattern recognition and interruption. This would be an automatic pattern. Somebody who sits like this, walks around like this, that would be a static pattern. Most people are not walking properly. They have dysfunctional walking patterns and almost nobody that I know teaches proper walking. We do that. We’ve had people walk their way out of pain because the automatic pattern of dysfunctional walking was lacking in their pain. It makes it hard on us practitioners who want to do an intervention of some kind. The people go back to their patterns, whatever they are, and they get back into pain. They have to come back and see us.

Patterns, meaning the way they work, continuously bending down in the same position over and over, everyday life patterns.

Everyday movement patterns, everyday thought patterns, everyday eating patterns, everyday communication patterns. We deal with all of that stuff and automatic stress reactions. As you know very well, stress is one of the most underlying in almost every ill-health condition. When we think about our COVID-19 experiences that are engulfing our country, stress, anxiety and fear are the number one destroyers of proper immune system function. If a person is not able to release their stress, anxiety and fear, then their immune system is in trouble. It almost doesn’t matter what you do at that point. You can’t take enough supplements or antioxidants. If you’re eating the right diet, it is great.

Everybody should eat right. Everybody might want to take some cheap and inexpensive supplements that help them. For instance, with the COVID, copper has been shown to be good for inactivating the virus. There are a lot of simple ways we could talk about that would help people in that regard. We deal with the automatic stress reactions and the automatic anxiety reactions that lock pain in place. I always say when people are not dealing with unlocking the automatic stress reactions, it’s harder for somebody to get free of their chronic pain.

What are you trying to unlock first when somebody comes in with severe physical, mental, emotional, high-stress levels? What are you trying to go after first?

It almost doesn’t matter what they come in with. We’ve designed an umbrella program with all these modes of interruption. It includes things like guided meditation to help reprogram the subconscious mind where all of the automatic patterns are residing. We need to help people recognize what their patterns are and then teach them specifically how to interrupt them. It’s guided meditation. We use communication strategies because almost all stress is based in language. It’s either the language of our thoughts, which most people, if they have thoughts they don’t want, they try and resist those thoughts. Resistance will cause the persistence of those thoughts. We have to help people understand the way they’ve been living is keeping themselves locked in place unable to make the changes they want to make.

Guided meditation, communication strategies, effective muscle release, general functional movement patterns, we teach people how to move properly in three-dimensional space and the series of other things that we do. All of these different things, but you ask the question, the first thing we go for is reframing their future vision. Most people that have results that they’re stuck with and they can’t get rid of, they want to make changes. They want to make the changes and they don’t know how. Their future vision becomes what we call corrupted by the thinking like, “That probably won’t help me and this is not going to work for me. I don’t know. It may work for somebody else.”

We have to have them adjust their future vision so they see the light at the end of the tunnel, even if they don’t know how to get there. We’re going to guide them there and if it’s not us, they’ll find somebody else. They have to know that whatever they’re doing, they’ve got to have that light that they see at the end of the tunnel called, “I’m pain free, stress-free, and happy. I’m making the changes I want to make. All aspects of my life are working well. I’m cleaning up all the messes that I made in the past and addressing those so I can be clear of those and go forward into a new future of my own design, free of the automatic patterns.”

It sounds like in order to be that healthy and happy person that you want to be, first and foremost, you have to put yourself there to become it.

You have to be that way in your mind. You have to have that focus. I am happy. I am healthy. I am wealthy. We’re developing a new app called Happy, Healthy, Wealthy app. It’s a mobile app that’s going to be fantastic for people to plug into and get access to all this information about how to achieve that. You’ve got to be happy first. We say happy, but it’s about love, nurturing, relatedness, connection. This COVID-19 experience is hurting our connectivity and our sense of community. We need to find ways of rebuilding that fast.

You’ve got to be happy first, then you have to be healthy. You can’t have your health without having happiness, love and nurturing. It’s not going to happen. Once you’re healthy, you’re high performance because when somebody’s happy and healthy, they’re operating in high performance. They’re free from these patterns and are able to make changes. They’re able to accumulate their wealth. You accumulate wealth at the expense of being happy and healthy. You can never buy it back later. How are you going to buy it back? All the money in the world will not buy happiness as we know and it certainly won’t buy health.

When you were talking about communication issues, did you mean just for yourself and the way you talk to yourself? Does that incorporate the way you talk to others and our interactions with everybody else? How does that work?

First of all, with regard to self, it’s about the thoughts that we have that don’t work for us. The thought that, “I don’t know if this treatment is going to work for me. I’ll try it, but I don’t know if it’s going to work for me.” It’s a language-based thought. It’s a corruption of the future vision. The future vision being, “I’m better fast and this treatment is going to be the one. This is it. If this is not the one, then it’s the next one. If it’s not the next one, it’s the one after that. I am well, pain-free and stress-free. I’m free to do whatever I want and construct my life anyway I want.” That’s the future vision we want people to adopt or whatever future vision they want.

We don’t tell people what they have to have as a future vision. People like the future vision I spoke about. It makes sense. We know the importance of heart-to-heart communication, connectedness, community. We know that a lot of stress occurs in miscommunication. We had some simple communication rules that make it so that people can have win-win-win situations for everybody involved. It’s a win for themselves. It’s a win for who they’re talking to for both people. It’s a win for the groups around. That’s why I say win-win-win.

Those are my patients that do the best. The ones that come in, they sit down and they’re like, “I’m willing to do anything. I need to get better. I know I’m going to get better. Let’s do it.” As opposed to the person that walks in and says, “I’m not expecting any miracles here. We’ll see what happens. I don’t think this is going to work but we’ll see.” It’s completely different healing levels.

When I run into people like that, it’s when I want to have a conversation with them immediately to see that it’s getting in their way and for them to shift if they want to or they choose to. They don’t have to. I’ll work with them anyway. I’m always a believer and you probably feel the same way. If you can get somebody some benefit right away in the first encounter, all of a sudden, they can shift themselves. I like to have the conversation to point out how the way they’re thinking is getting in the way of their getting better. Once they understand that they’re readily willing to shift. If we can get into some benefit in the first encounter like in one of our online programs, it’s going to be after the first online session, they’re going to spend 20 to 40 minutes with a video, get some audio tracks and some PDFs, instruction manuals to do what they needed to do. They still get some benefit right away. They’re in. They’re on board.

It sounds like it’s an online model, but physical symptoms as well as the emotional are tailored specifically to that individual. How do you address the physical issues in a specific one-on-one person that’s a group module?

I might have a course with 100 people on it. I’m talking to them. They’re all different. Everybody’s different. Some people have headaches. Some people have neck pain, back pain, hip pain, plantar fasciitis, tennis elbow. They have one bad shoulder that’s not so hot. Other people don’t have that much pain and they’re stressed out to the max. They don’t sleep well. They have anxiety. They have fatigue. They have depression symptoms. They’re feeling a little bit melancholy. That’s why we do this umbrella program. You asked about the physical aspects. I’m going to say that I do a lot of demonstration. For instance, most people had that forward head posture because we’re doing this or we’re sitting in a chair and leans back and our head has to go forward.

We’re looking completely down on our phones all day.

We’re looking at the computer screen and there are so much. Everything’s done in front of us. We’re doing this and that. All the muscles are contracting. The shoulders are rounding and it pushes the head forward. People stand like this, which is a no-no because that rounds the shoulders and pushes the head forward. When the head starts going forward, everybody’s carrying a tension here. A lot of people go to a massage therapist and say, “I’ve got tension here.” The massage therapist will work back here, which is not that advisable because these muscles are already elongated. When you work on them, they relax them more and the head goes forward even more. The trick is to release the muscles that are in the front of the neck, across the shoulder and let the person open up naturally.

We do this with everybody in the beginning. We teach them specific effective muscle release routines for the neck to get neck mobility and release the head. Let the head and shoulders open up to come back. That’s one thing that we do with everybody. We teach them that. That’s something that when people do the simple muscle release routines, they require very little energy. You can do them while you’re lying in bed. They start to get benefit because they say, “I’ve got much more mobility. This is great.” We have effective muscle release routines for the whole body structure. We start there. We do some stuff in the shoulders as well because we also teach proper walking. There’s a minimum of seven steps for effective proper walking. Two of those steps is the head.

Most people when they walk, they’re looking down. It’s habit or they don’t want to make eye contact or they think they’re going to trip over or something. Most of the time, there are no boulders, lions, tigers, snakes or anything around there. Why are we looking down? It’s like when you drive a car. If you try and drive a car and look at the lines right over the hood, you’re going to wreck. It’s hard to keep the car in the lane. You look long and it’s a breeze. It’s the same with walking, looking up and looking long, which helps keep the head back over the shoulders or at least it’s part of what can help that we sought to release everything. I talk about this as they start to try and push their head back, but as soon as they’re distracted, they’re back in the forward head area.

The other thing is arm swing is important. Almost nobody swings their arms when they walk. People need to understand that when the arms are static, they’re not moving, they’re not swinging. The spinal column is not moving at all. It’s not rotating. It’s going in this path. It’s after decades. People who want to turn around in their cars, they get older. They have to turn their whole body because they can’t rotate the spine around. We do some work here and we tell them that the future vision is proper walking. Looking forward, arms swinging, shoulders move gently, the whole spinal columns moving the way it was designed to move. Those are a couple of examples of what we will teach during a program.

That’s pretty huge too because there’s no direct blood supply to the spine. The way it gets its nutrients is movement. It sucks up all the fluid and hydrates the spine. If you’re like this for 5, 10, 15 years, that spine is not getting the proper nutrition it needs.

The muscles go in excess contraction. They start compressing the vertebrae. You have bulging discs. You get a nerve impingement and all that stuff. We have effective muscle release routines for the whole back area and hip area so we can take that spinal column, which over time is getting compressed. We can do global movements, which will allow the spine to release those intervertebral, those muscles in between the vertebrae that are starting to pull down. You can’t get a bulging disc unless a muscle pulls down. It’s got to pull down. It’s got to compress. It’s going to push the disc out.

Dr. Bob, I had no idea about this. You were mentioning this before you found a phenomenal upper cervical chiropractor at a seminar that you started to see. The reason I bring this up is because once the upper neck is put back in place and everybody’s got that proper nerve flow and blood flow to the rest of the body, what you’re doing will complement that and help the atlas and everything stay in place well. Could you talk about your experience with upper cervical?

I’m so thrilled that you practice that technique. I recommend the upper cervical alignment technique to every person I deal with, whether it’s an online program. I always go over, what are some things that you could be doing to help yourself out that you can invest in yourself? I always talk about the Migun bed. I don’t know if you’re familiar with Migun bed. It’s got these heated jade rollers that roll up and down your whole back area from the top of your head to your Achilles. These heated jade rollers is gently tractioning. It’s complementary to chiropractic. We have one in our home.

There’s the BEMER mat. Kevin, you’ve got to have one whenever you’re ready. They’re on the expensive side, although they are having a sale. What that does is you lay on it for eight minutes, twice a day, morning and evening. That’s it. You lay down on it and turn it on. It’s a PEMF device, a Pulse Electromagnetic Field Exposure. It’s very low level. It’s like the same PEMF that comes out of the earth. It’s almost like grounding yourself. What they’ve shown, which is amazing. I’ve learned a lot over the decades. I can do a lot with people. One thing I cannot do easily is what this BEMER mat does. That is increase the flow of the microcirculation. The blood flow through the smallest capillaries is accelerated. They’ve got great research and videos showing that.

When you’re getting more blood flow per unit time, you’re removing more waste per unit time. You’re delivering more nutrients per unit time. You’re delivering more oxygen per unit time. It’s a whole-body phenomenon. It’s happening everywhere. Almost all diseases are a function of resistance. People resisting things and not wanting to have something. It stays around because the resistance causes persistence. The sluggishness of the microcirculation is a factor. I’m going to throw in the upper cervical situation here too. I’m going to transition to upper cervical right now. Many people have had diagnoses and symptoms, which could not be resolved at all through anything, conventional medicine and all kinds of alternative care.

One of the reasons I love that technique is because you have this atlas sitting right next to the skull and there are small little holes that the nerve and blood flow traveled through. If you have a misalignment there, the impingement could be any combination of things. It could be on the left side or the right side. It could be any kind of misorientation and that can cause symptomology all over the place. It could be condition number 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 or 7 or combinations thereof. When you finally get that thing in line, and I talked to a lot of people who’ve had it done, and the results are spectacular. In my case, I went to see Debra Pavlovic in Lakeland, Florida. She’s a nice woman, very smart. Lakeland is Southeast of Orlando. It’s right in between Tampa and Orlando. It’s the location of the Sun ‘n Fun Fly-In, the second largest air show in the United States in the spring.

I met her at a chiropractic conference and I asked her if we could do some trades. She treats me and I show her some of my stuff. She was interested in this whole effective muscle release, neuromuscular balancing, and all the functional stuff we do, walking, sitting, standing, bending and reaching. The average person takes between 30,000 to 50,000 repetitive movements every day. They’re mostly doing them incorrectly. Almost all of them we’re doing it incorrectly. That’s a big deal. I’ve always said, if we don’t address that, it’s going to make it hard to get somebody out of pain or out of stress because as soon as they leave our clutches, our treatment, they go back to their patterns. They do these 30,000 to 50,000 repetitive movements and then they have the repetitive thoughts that they’re having over and over again.

I thought you’d find that interesting. Our audience would que into that. I had nothing wrong with me that I could identify until I learned at the end that I had something going on. Here’s what happened. She had all the X-rays done, very sophisticated X-rays to find out the exact position of the atlas and how it may be misaligned. Mine was pretty misaligned. She put me on a table and put my head in a particular position. She took the sonic probe and she didn’t even touch me. Blast the sound waves at the atlas. It slides it over in place and chunks it in place. I couldn’t hear it, but that’s what it does.

Afterward she said to me, “Lay on the table and open your mouth.” I said, “Why should I open my mouth?” She says, “Just open your mouth.” I opened my mouth and for the first time in how many decades, because I’m not a young spring chicken anymore, my mouth opened up and there was no clicking and movement. The lower jaw usually would go click. That was gone and no noise. She goes, “I knew it. I saw it when I was taking X-rays. Your jaw was a mess.” She did this simple little thing, moved the atlas back into place. All of a sudden, my TMJ that I had almost my whole life was gone. I was like, “Are you serious? I could not believe it.” There are many conditions. I’m sure you’ve seen it with your work the varied conditions that people have.

You see a lot of things that people can’t even diagnose either.

You don’t even know before you start whether that’s going to work or not until you get into it and you say, “They’re misaligned. This could work for them.” There are a lot of things that can be happening. I’m a fan of that. I recommend upper cervical chiropractic to any program I did, if it’s an online program. I’ve had friends of mine fly into Florida from Michigan to see Debra. I can send them to you if they’re in your area. I’m going to do that.

There’s a great website,, that’s pretty much got all the upper cervical doctors in the world. You type in your ZIP Code. If you have any clients or anything that’s not in state and they’re looking for somebody, it’s a great website. Just find the nearest one to you.

I’m going to take advantage of that. Those are some things. The BEMER mat is a big deal. Everybody’s going to have one eventually. In my case, this is a cool story about me. Do you think it’s good idea to tell the story about the BEMER? It’s phenomenal. It was another result I didn’t expect. You live in your patterns. After a while, a fish swims in water and the fish doesn’t know what water is until it jumps out of the water, hits some air, and it falls back down. It goes, “This is what water is like.” We’re in our patterns. We have what we have. For years, I was asking doctors about a lung issue that I was having because I was fine upright. I could exercise. Everything was cool, no problems, whatever. I noticed years ago, I would lay down on my bed at night to go to sleep, I would exhale and I’d hear this wheeze.

I could feel a fluttering in my chest like fluid. I’m thinking, “What is this? It can’t be good.” I saw a lot of doctors and they checked me out. They probably didn’t lay me down. I probably should have had them lay me down. They’re listening and they’re saying, “You’re fine and you don’t take any meds. Your numbers are perfect. You don’t have to worry about a thing.” I went to see a pulmonologist to find all this out. I said to the pulmonologist, “My wife, Charlene, catches me stopping breathing at night.” She gets me. I don’t wake up, but I started breathing again. He says, “Those are symptoms of sleep apnea.” That’s why I went to see the pulmonologist. I said, “Check me over. My wife seems to think that I stopped breathing. Tell me if you think I need to do a sleep study or something.” He checks me all over. He listens to everything.

He says, “With your profile, I don’t think you need to do a sleep apnea test. If you want to, you can. I don’t think you need to.” I said, “Why don’t we do it then my wife would feel better?” I took it home. I did the test. I took it back to the office. They called me up and said, “You’ve got to come in right away.” I went in and the guy says, “You’ve got a bad case of sleep apnea. You probably need a CPAP machine so you can get the oxygen you need.” I said, “Let me think about that.” I’m not a big fan of stuff that I don’t need. I came home and I started learning about sleep, reading about it. What I found out was that almost everybody that has sleep apnea has all kinds of comorbidity. For our audience who don’t know what I mean, they have a comorbid condition.

It means they have cardiovascular disease. They have pulmonary conditions. They’re overweight. They have poor diets. They have stress. They have all these things going on. I don’t have any of that. I thought to myself, “I feel fine. I have all kinds of energy. I don’t feel any problems so I’m not going to do the CPAP machine.” My wife’s still doing her thing. We got the BEMER mat. After two months of laying on it twice a day and I did it regularly, eight minutes in the morning, eight minutes at night, all of this whatever it was, wheezing was gone and the fluttering was gone. I didn’t expect that. I had forgotten about it. The sleep apnea has gone.

Do you feel anything when you’re on those mats? Do you feel a little lighter getting up or anything?

No. Most people when they get off of that thing, they’re completely relaxed. It’s because when you start to open up the microcirculation, the tension is relieved because the blood vessels are opening up. It’s almost like the stress is going away. It’s one way of destressing. It’s not my preferred way because you’re only laying on it eight minutes a day. It’s like people who say, “I exercise to relieve my stress.” “Do you exercise twelve hours a day? As soon as you’re done with your exercise and then you’re back into the first trigger, your automatic stress is there again.” That’s what people feel most of. I’ve treated a bunch of people with this BEMER mat.

One case in particular is interesting. She’s 73 years old, bad hip and a back issue. She would come into the treatment. She would be dragging her foot. That’s how bad it was. She couldn’t lift her knee up at all. We put her on the mat and we ran it through a few additional cycles. The first time she was on the mat, she got up and she started walking. She thought she was walking perfectly normally. I could see she still had a little limp. She goes, “Look at me.” The pain level went away down because she got a release of some sort. I’m imagining that there was some neuromuscular relief that was locking up the joint. She would be okay for several days, which was remarkable. She’s buying one now. It comes with a mat you land. It comes with this round spot treat. It has a strap. You can strap treat. When I’m watching TV, I’ll sometimes put the strap over my head. I’ll put the strap on my chest.

Were you putting it right on the lung, with the lung issue?

My lung issue was gone.

When you had, was it right on the lung? Was that where you were putting the spot treatment?

No. I didn’t even use the spot. I used the strap. We didn’t know the value of the spot until we went to a BEMER clinic. The spot is powerful. I treated her and we didn’t use the mat because BEMER now is having some issue with the mat at the level of the FDA. They redid their manual. They can’t sell the mat until the manual gets approved. There’s some hang-up with approving the English or whatever, I don’t know. With all the COVID stuff going on, it’s crazy. They came up with a product called the BEMER Go. It’s a backpack. It has the control box with a battery. It has the strap and the spot.

You can buy that and they’re discounting it almost $1,000 right now. I paid $6,300 for mine, which came with the mat, the spot, the strap and everything else. You can buy the Go model for $3,900, which is way cheaper. You can get the mat later once it gets released for $700. For roughly $4,700 instead of $6,300, you can get the whole system. They have financing, but I don’t recommend it because it’s not that good. We help people get 0% credit cards for 14 to 18 months. People need to get one of those things especially if they’re having unexplained ill-health. They need an upper cervical adjustment and they need a BEMER mat. That’s the way I look at it.

Have you ever tried those grounding blankets?

I haven’t.

I haven’t either. I’ve heard mixed results about them.

You’ve got to try it yourself. If it helped 50% of the people and 50% not, that’s mixed results, but that’s a great result. If it helps five people, it doesn’t help 95, that’s a weak result. That’s not good. It’s like you go out and read an Amazon review, there are some people that can never be satisfied.

They’re writing bad reviews for everybody.

What I say is if it has 5% or less, I don’t worry about it too much. If it’s got more like 10%, 12%, 15%, 18%, I read some of them and I can see that there’s legitimacy in the complaints. I just want to bring that up if people say it’s mixed. We have another product that we sell. We call it the Levine Longevity Protocol. It includes the BEMER mat. It includes this other product called LifeWave. This would be great for you and your practice too. This LifeWave has these patches. They’re not transdermal. Transdermal means something goes from the patch through the skin.

It’s a light-based therapy, phototherapy. It takes heat/light emitted from the body. The patch reflects back certain different wavelengths depending on what they want to do. I only talk about this one, but they have a lot of different patches. The one that I love right now is called an X39 Patch by The X39 Patch activates our own body’s stem cells. They run around doing what they do. I’ve got to tell you my story with that. I usually don’t have stories to tell when I get stuck. I rely on what other people got because I’m generally pretty healthy.

One of my issues was I played college football and scholarship. I beat my body to the pulp. My hips were shot. My knees are shot. I got both of my hips replaced, which is by the way a beautiful surgery. Sometimes you’ve got to give conventional medicine a hat off because they can do certain things. Now my hips function better than when I was like 30 because I got more flexibility. I can spread my legs out. When they did the surgery, first of all, here’s the femur, the thighbone with the ball and the socket. They had to cut the femur. What they do for the surgery because they’ve got to replace the whole thing. They’re replacing it. They were putting in a metal prosthetic with a ball. What they do is they cut yours off. If it was working easily, they just pop the head out. They ream it out, get it nice and smooth and put the titanium plate in there. In my case, I was awake during the whole surgery. I didn’t get any sedation. That’s the way I am. I’m interested. I know I’m not going to feel any pain.

Were you watching them do that?

I couldn’t watch it, but I could hear them. I knew the progression. The progression that I can hear them talk is they cut, they open, they saw and I was waiting for them to pop. There’s no popping going on and they’re jiggling me. I could feel the jiggling and they’re hammering. They had to hammer the head out of there. It came out in fragments. It was so much degradation, fusion and stuckness going on.

How does that feel walking around four weeks later? Does it feel like your own hip or does it feel like there’s something foreign in there?

I left the hospital the same day. Most people don’t do that. With the hip, you can do it. I went home and two weeks later, I’m riding my bicycle with my son. I had one hip done and the other hip wasn’t done. When I’m riding the bike, the hip replaced was smooth as silk. The other one, I can feel it every now and then lock up. I shake my leg out to get it to unlock so I could keep pedaling.

Was this a regular hip replacement surgery? That sounds like it was a phenomenal doctor and phenomenal result.

They’re doing hips and knees now with the right physician. Hips are reliable. I had a phenomenal surgeon. He and I are working together. We’re developing a program called Surgery Made Easy. He was so impressed with how I prepared myself. I use guided meditation. I’m relaxed. I have future visioning. I do all this stuff we do in our programs. I said, “If we’re going to do the surgery, I don’t want to be sedated. I want to be awake during the whole surgery. I didn’t have the guts to do no anesthesia whatsoever.

There are people that do that.

We did an ACL reconstruction where I did the guided meditation work for the patient. He was awake during the whole surgery. It’s a little bit local anesthetic. They treated him with an ACL, Anterior Cruciate Ligament. They’re drilling bone. I had him trained, but he didn’t move a muscle. He says, “I felt that.” He hears a knocking. He goes, “Who’s there?” He’s messing around. Hips are easy. If somebody is worried about a hip replacement, there’s no need anymore. They’re so good at it. It’s a simple surgery. We help people prepare for that before they go in. We want to use effective muscle release. The reason the hip gets destroyed is the muscles are tight down and it never lets go until they wear everything out. We want to get the muscles retrained. That’s what the effective muscle release process. We retrain all these muscles to be relaxed and elongated where they belong. They’re normal length until they’re needed. They contract, then they go back, then they contract. They should not be like this all the time.

We prepare people by teaching them effective muscle release before they go into surgery. The Surgery Made Easy program is going to be all online. It’s going to be all guided meditation. It’s going be there to listen to an audio track, a different audio track every day for fourteen days before surgery. They’re going to go into surgery like, “Let’s do this. This is no big deal.” They’ll get out of it and then we’re going to teach them about how to work with any pain or discomfort. We’re tracking all our data so we’re going to show that they don’t need opioids afterward. That’s critical. Before COVID, it was an opioid crisis. It’s not like the opioid crisis went away. Chronic pain and opioid crisis still are costing the United States $1.3 trillion every year. We’ll get back to that once we get by this COVID thing.

I was working with a phenomenal check practitioner that unfortunately passed away. I’ve been looking for some movement specialist in my area. How would I even go about somebody to get the phenomenal upper cervical adjustment? They want to know what they can do for the rest of their body. How do I even get them to your program?

First of all, they can contact me directly. I have one-on-one practice over the internet. If somebody wants to get moving on this stuff, they can contact me directly. There are two ways to get me, especially I also have some free gifts if people want it. People go to in a browser. They can pick up some free gifts on. Please do that because there’s something pretty cool in there that you might not have been focused on because nobody’s focused on it. It has to do with bending, lifting and things like that.

There’s a gift for chronic pain relief and a gift for stress relief. If they go there, they can register, give me their information. They can get those free gifts and all my contact information is there because it’s my digital business card. They can also call me or text me at (248) 342-7555. I always offer a free consultation anyway. They can see what’s right for them. Maybe they want to do some one-on-one work, we can get started right away or maybe they want to get one of our programs and get started that way. There are a lot of options that I can go over with them.

That’s beautiful, especially with everybody on lockdown, not able to leave the house and there are people suffering. There are options for help still, even though you can’t get to your other practitioners.

We’re releasing a program. We’re still narrowing the title, but it’s got to be something like, “Stuck in the muck, be free of this chaos, relieve stress, anxiety and fear.” That’s what needs to happen. People need to get as healthy as they can get during this and for the future. One of the only upsides of this whole COVID-19 thing is that you see people out getting exercise or walking. They’re riding their bikes. They get their kids outside.

It’s the daily routine interruption from work. They get to take a step back and look at the big picture a little bit better.

People got to be able to release the stress, anxiety and fear because that’s the number one destroyer of proper immune system function. You’ve got to do that. All of our programs deal with that. We always deal with that whatever the program is. This program in particular is going to be short and sweet. It’s going to teach people how to recognize when they’re experiencing stress, anxiety or being afraid. We’re going to teach them how to recognize it and then how to interrupt that pattern and shift and be free of that. Once they’re free of it, there are a lot of benefits.

First of all, we’re not trashing the immune system. We make better decisions. We communicate better. We’re more connected with the people around us. There are a lot of benefits to that. I would encourage people during this time to figure out, recognize when you’re experiencing stress, when you’re experiencing being anxious and figure out a way. With a single breath and having the intention of being relaxed and being peaceful, that’s one of the tiny little tips that we give people. There are a lot of ways we teach people how to do this.

If I notice that I’m being anxious and I’m having thoughts I don’t want to have, it’s like, “Take a breath, have the intention of being free, releasing, letting go and then focus on a future vision of what we want.” I see my future vision as we’re back to seeing people or back to hugging or back to going outside without any restrictions. We’re all being productive. We’re all being successful. We’re being effective. That’s what I focus on. When I’m getting nervous about like, “Bills are coming up.” Bills are there. I can’t change that circumstance but I can make some phone calls and make some requests.

I’m not going to let a bill sit there. If I had an issue with the bill, I’m going to make a phone call. I’m going to make a request. What I am going to do is notice what happens when I start to experience stress, and then it’s like, “There it is. I’m going to take a breath and I’m going to focus on the future vision called, “Here’s a bill. I’m going to get some help from the people that I owe that money to. I’m going to get some forgiveness. I’m going to get some help. I’m going to get some adjustments made, whatever it is. Even if not, I’m still free of the stress that this circumstance or the bill caused.” People understand that they need to recognize. That’s why our programs are so powerful because a lot of people don’t recognize the stress they’re under. It’s like the fish swimming in the water. It’s like they’re in the water all the time. We help them recognize exactly when they’re in stress and then they’re free of it.

Dr. Bob, at the end of every show, I like to ask all my guests, what is one piece of advice that resonated with you over the years that you would like to gift the audience. It could be absolutely anything.

We’re having some town halls here in Florida. The focus of the town hall is getting everybody on Zoom together. It’s called Love Thy Neighbor. I like to modify that and say, “Love thy self, love thy neighbor.” Everything starts with self. We can’t love anyone else unless we’re loving and nurturing ourselves. We can’t be accepting of others in other circumstances unless we’re being accepting of ourselves. We can’t receive love without being a forgiving person. Being forgiving is critical. This is my message, being accepting of ourselves, everyone and everything within and around us, that allows us to let go of resistance. In my mind, resistance is the same as ill-health because resistance cause persistence. Be forgiving because without being forgiving, we can’t access love and receive love and be loving. Those are three, being accepting, forgiving, loving. That’s part of my future vision all the time. Those are the ways of being that we teach people how to be.

Dr. Bob, it’s always a pleasure having you on the show. Thank you for all the information. One more time, where can people find you and locate your classes?

The best way to get a hold of me is to pick up the free gifts. It’s also my digital business card at In your phone’s browser, enter your information and you’ll get access to the free gifts. They can also text or call me at (248) 342-7555 for a free consult and see what aspects work best for them, whether it’s a one-on-one, internet-based Zoom session or one of our online programs that they can buy.

Thank you so much, Dr. Bob. It’s always a pleasure having you on the show. We’d love to have you back anytime.

Thank you, Kevin. Thanks for all that you do with your show and also your upper cervical work. It’s brilliant and I appreciate that.

Thank you so much for the kind words. I appreciate it.

It’s my pleasure. Take care.

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