Press Play For Changing Perspectives with Alex Muka

Life becomes meaningful when you go to places and experience things that you were not prepared for. With the company of good friends, all of it becomes a memorable experience. Dr. Kevin Pecca chose the adjective “comical” to describe his good friend Alex Muka when he got his first upper cervical adjustment. Press play and listen in to their stories of traveling, music and writing in this first in-house episode. Learn how meeting people and simply growing up is best for changing perspectives in life and make the best memory off it.

Alex Muka has been one of my best friends since the fourth grade. He’s a man of many talents. He’s a wicked smart and absolute comedy. Please welcome, Muka.

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We have Alex Muka who has been one of my best friends since the fourth grade. He’s a huge part of this podcast. He actually made the intro beat and I’m pretty sure he did it in ten minutes.

Pecca sent me some hilarious guitar riffs that he played. They were actually pretty good and I just made the beat.

I was like, “Muka, the podcast is coming out. I need an intro. Can you please finally do the intro?” After that text, the intro was sent to me in ten minutes.

Somehow it just came.

How did you get into music producing?

When I was in college, I would just watch these videos of Kanye making beats. I just love watching the videos and I really didn’t think that I was ever going to be able to do that. He had this huge beat machines and stuff in his studio and I was like, “This is insane.” I just thought of messing around Fruity Loops. It’s like a beat-producing app pretty much. They sucked. My beats, they were so bad for a year and a half but for some reason I just kept doing it and then it clicked one day.

Do you need to know how to do some piano, chords and all that?

I know five chords. I like to sample a lot. I sample a song and then any other music that’s added onto it after is just by trying to play something that sounds good with it.

You self-taught yourself how to mix everything?

Yeah, pretty much. Just watching videos online. You could teach yourself how to do anything nowadays. There’s a video for it. If you really want to put the time in, a year and a half into listenable music.

That goes with anything. I always knew I wanted to make the podcast but then when you came out with that Van intro, I lost it.

I don’t know if anybody that hasn’t lived in California would understand what we are talking about when we say that, “You get into a fog.” If you go out there for a week’s vacation you’re like, “This is the best place ever made. I never want to leave.” Then you’re there for three months and you’re like, “Where am I?”

Every day is a daydream and you get sucked into it.

Every day is the same day. I got there and then three months later, I woke up and I was like, “What is going on?” Thank God that Pecca could adjust people because he did this upper cervical adjustment on me. He was pretty much practicing on me and then eventually he was just killing it. That day when I was like, “Pecca, I’m messed up. My brain is in a fog. I don’t know what’s going on.” He adjusted me and then a half hour later I came up with this beat. We thought we were going to have it as the intro for the podcast but copyright infringement stopped that.

You’re the first person I ever adjusted and it was comical the first time I adjusted you. I barely tapped you on the neck. I was like, “I got it, right?” You’re like, “Yeah, you got it.” I was probably sweating.

He just adjusted me and I’m clear, clear, clear. Clear as amazing.

You’re actually the only person I know that is a writer.

I can’t call myself a writer just because I had never gotten paid for it yet, but I like to write.

You’re a writer. Just your library by itself is impressive/comical. Do you think you’ll be able to read all those books by the time you’re dead?

Never. My girlfriend right now literally tries to stop me from buying books on Amazon. She tries to lock my account.

You going to Barnes & Noble is scary.

Every time I walk out of there, $200 is gone.

You come out with ten books.

I think I’m going to read them all and it’s just probably never going to happen.

Ever since you were young, you were always reading a ton more than everybody else. What do you think drew you to that? Who inspired you as a writer?

First of all, I was a pretty nerdy kid I would say. Everybody would be hanging out at night and I’d be going home early and waking up in the morning and reading before I got on the bus, doing my homework before I got on the bus, because I couldn’t ever concentrate at night. Night isn’t good for me.

What time does your brain shut off?

Probably right after lunch. It’s toasted after that. It’s 100% off after lunch. I just started reading Harry Potter. I read before Harry Potter but after reading Harry Potter, I just started reading a ton after that. When you read a book, you realize you don’t know shit. The fact that they make you read The Great Gatsby when you’re sixteen, what the fuck are you grasping in The Great Gatsby? You’re grasping absolutely nothing. The Old Men and the Sea, Hemingway, you were grasping nothing. I’ll probably read it again when I’m 40 and be like, “I was grasping nothing at 25.”

That was one of the first books that was actually a game changer. 100 pages, the message is so straight to the point and clear. It’s one of the best books of all time. I read that for the first time in college. I had to do it a report or something. It was the first thing I actually enjoyed. I’m obsessed with autobiographies. People’s life stories, I’m absolutely obsessed. You like everything but you tend to be more into the fiction, right?

Yeah, literary fiction I would say. My three favorite writers are probably Jim Harrison who wrote Legends of the Fall. A lot of his books are novellas so they’re short but they’re unbelievable. Hemingway and then Zadie Smith. She’s a writer right now, still alive and she’s just unbelievable.

You can literally have a conservation with anybody. Your ability to grasp knowledge and understand it and use it in your own life, I have never seen that in anybody before. I remember a couple of months ago. This is a redundant example. Some wine popped up and you were like, “I remember that’s the wine that my cousin, Tom, was telling us all about.” You remembered every detail about it. It was a year and a half ago and I was just like yessing you just not to sound stupid. I was like, “Yeah, I remember that.”

When people say something that interests me, I’m automatically interested in them and what they had to say. What’s really helped me pay attention and grasp knowledge and focus is just putting my fucking phone down. When we used to go out with Tom in California and he’d be talking about all these wines, I would just stop, put my phone away and just actually listen to him. It’s really that easy to focus and listen to people. I will never be able to reiterate what someone told me while I’m texting. It will never happen.

I went for a walk down Bloomfield Avenue, Montclair. Every single person that I walked past or every restaurant I walked into, people were staring at their phone. Nobody’s paying attention including myself. Nobody is paying attention anymore to anything. It’s scary.

I’m guilty of that for sure. It’s just unbelievable. You expect to relate to someone in person or remember something. People are like, “My memory’s shut.” “No, it’s not. You’re just not paying attention. That’s it.” I think Hemingway has an unbelievable quote that he said which is pretty much just like, “When you get in a room, if something makes you feel a certain way, try and pinpoint what it is about the room that makes you feel whatever you’re feeling.” I think that’s why he’s probably the greatest writer.

Another problem is everybody has to document everything before they have any experience of it. You pull up to a really scenic spot, immediately the phone comes out. By the time you put the phone down, you’re spending twenty minutes figuring out what Snap to send and then it’s over.

This is what always makes me laugh. When’s the last time you went through your camera roll and looked at old pictures? Never. I never looked at it. When’s the last time you watched the concert video that you took on your phone? Never. It never happened.

It’s all for everybody else and everybody’s guilty of it. It’s a worldwide problem. Especially if you’re in America because when I went to Ireland, nobody was on the phone. Everybody’s at the bar, they’re at the bar. Going back to California, we talked a lot of shit about it.

It’s because we love it.

It was the best thing we’ve ever done.

Just putting you a little bit out of that comfort zone, just like the people. I remember the first thing that really blew my mind about California is I’m walking on the beach with Pecca. We’re going surfing and some lady waves at us and asked us how we’re doing. I was just like, “What?”

You’re right off the plane from New Jersey and that never happens.

The only time people stop to talk to you in New Jersey, New York, is to make fun of you or something like that. That’s it. You’re not getting like a good, “How are you?” and thinking there’s no motive behind it. That was the first thing that I was just like, “This place is fucking weird.” Meanwhile, they’re just nice people.

After a couple of years, I miss the directness of everybody on the East Coast. You know exactly how you stand with everybody on the East Coast. It’s tough for Californians. If you grew up in Southern California, this is non-exaggeration, mostly every day of your life has been 75 and sunny.

I’ll quote the great Tom Coin. We’re trying to explain this what we call sunburnt phenomena. They haven’t seen rain in over a year. They’re just sunburnt. Their brain is sunburnt. We’re trying to explain this to our friend, Tom Coin, and he goes, “I get it. They’ve never been freezing. They’ve never been cold.” It really just changes the way that just being cold makes you more of a direct person.

We’ve met a ton of phenomenal people out there. We love them to death. It was a different experience that you definitely go in. It’s definitely easier going from East to West Coast than West to East Coast. That must be an awakening for them as well.

The way that we would to talk girls in New Jersey just does not translate to a girl from the West Coast.

Sarcasm goes right over that.

I’m blatantly making fun of you and they couldn’t pick up on it. They thought we were being dead serious when we were making fun of them. I realized that the East Coast way to talk to girls is just pretty childish and hilarious. It’s just making fun of them. Sometimes it works.

Aside from all of that, that dream went for a year. For a solid eight to ten months, me and you would wake up 5 AM, go surfing, come back at 6:30. You would work out of the house, which is comical, do your sales, I would go to school, come back, go surfing again, and then stop off at The Irishman.

We would go in there and write. That was the best. It was just everyday was perfect and it freaks you out. We talked a lot of shit but we knew it was the best time. I didn’t know how to relax until I moved out there. You would literally just sit down for hours and it was good. You would just chill.

I remember the first couple of months I felt guilty not going out because it was perfect. I felt guilty not going out and enjoying the weather because in Jersey when May hits, it’s like, “Let’s go. It’s nice.” Out there, you get used to the perfect weather and just enjoying that. Just enjoying being outside doing nothing.

I didn’t camp in New Jersey. What the hell was that? I had no idea what that was until Big Bear and Sequoia.

Sequoia is the most beautiful place I think I’ve ever seen.

You go up into the mountains, the air is definitely way cleaner. Then you come back and then it’s like, “Oh my god.”

The smog of Southern California. There’s no real water there. They’re borrowing water. It doesn’t rain. What do you expect?

Realistically, what are they going to do in fifteen, twenty years?

Everyone’s going to need to move to places that are habitable.

It’s going to be dust probably.

It’s so fucked up. Think about it. Before there’s a house, before all this stuff, before the luxuries that we have today, how would you dead seriously live in Los Angeles? You wouldn’t because you couldn’t.

Not to mention it’s the most populated place ever. The most spread out populated place ever and they don’t have water. I guess the Native Americans had it down somehow, but they know their shit. They had it together. We’re not doing that, even Vegas.

Me and our buddy, we went for the McGregor-Mayweather fight. I think it was three days exactly and by the third day, I just wanted to run into oncoming traffic. It was fun, really fun.

The first day you get there is a sprint. You get so pumped when you get out of bed and then the second day, you’re pushing through. By the third day, if you go out again, best of luck to you. West Coast is great. West Coast is unreal. I definitely want to go back for three months.

My girlfriend, she just bought us a trip to Utah. We’re going to go camping out in Utah.

Explain that because that’s not just camping.

It’s glamping they call it. They have this huge tent, your own bed and shit, but it’s a teepee. They have their own fireplace in the teepee and then you just walk around Zion. You’ve been to Zion.

Zion is fake. We went to Zion, we pulled off last minute. It was probably 7:45 at night and there was a half hour trail you can do and you get to see the arches.

What are the arches again?

It’s just these huge rocks that are hundreds of feet up in the air. They’re natural. It’s like the Canyon. There was this little bend that you go around that was probably two-feet wide with already engraved footprints, but if you go one foot the other way, you’re off. See you never. You’re gone. That made it the best hike ever. You go around and then right as you turn the corner, you’re probably 200 or 300 feet up, probably way more. I was blacked out from the scenery.

We drove home from California when I was moving back home. First, we drove to the Grand Canyon. You think Arizona, you’re thinking hot always, forever. Now, this is right before Christmas. We’re trying to get home before Christmas Eve.

I’m pretty sure I looked at the weather and I was like, “No. That can’t be right. I Googled the wrong spot.” It was ten degrees but we were so set on camping.

We go camping at the Grand Canyon in the middle of December and when we get there, it’s actually three degrees out. There’s snow on the campsite naturally. We start a fire and we camped there.

We were still pumped.

I was fired up until I woke up in the middle of the night.

We were passing hotels and it still wasn’t registering.

Nothing was registering. We woke up in each other’s arms trying to keep each other warm before dying.

You were literally breathing on my forehead when I woke up in the morning. I had the right sleeping bag where it was for really cold. You had like a shitty $30 Walmart sleeping bag. You were shivering for six hours. I slept a little bit. You got up at 7 AM and started the car and waited in there for two hours.

My abs were sore from shivering all night.

We were so blacked out, sleep-drived, that we left the Canyon to get coffee and then we had to repay the fee. We’re like, “Where’s the Grand Canyon?” They’re like, “You were literally just there. You have to go back in.”

That was the start of the trip. When you first woke up to the Grand Canyon, your brain can’t handle the size. I almost fell. It’s like, “I’ve never seen anything this big. Where am I? What is this? I feel like I’m in a painting?” You almost fall over and that’s how the rest of the West Coast was. Everything is just too big to handle.

Then we went to Colorado after that. I guess we’re not research people. We just do it. We didn’t ask but nobody really tells you about the altitude and the beer drinking.

Those two don’t go hand in hand. All I have to say to somebody going to Denver is don’t chug three beers and then start talking about God to your best friend because the conversation’s going to get weird quick.

I remember we were just cursing at each other. We were blacked out and then we went outside. We’re like, “Can you stop?” I remember I turned to the bartender, “What’s going on?” They’re like, “You’ve never been here before? This happens when you drink in Denver. The altitude is real.” That was the worst hangover. I almost felt like I was dying. I had to lay on that couch in the lobby. I was curled up in a fetal position, couldn’t move.

We had five beers and I was messed up, but it was awesome. Denver is another great place. I’m actually going back for work soon. I’m so pumped for that.

The middle of the country is calm. It’s flat and there are Jesus’ signs and no abortion signs as billboards.

If you’re driving up to Jersey Turnpike and the Parkway, it’s just constant green signs for exits. In the middle of the country, it’s constant signs to not abort your child.

I thought, “There’s one. That’s weird.” Then every 50 miles it was forcing religious beliefs on you.

I like the middle of the country. People are just so real there too.

Everybody in California that I hang out with mostly was either from the Midwest. Midwest people, they can kick it. They’re good people.

I just realized that everyone is nice except from New Jersey, but I love the pricks from New Jersey.

Everybody from New Jersey, they’re good people. If they’re not fucking with you a little bit, they probably don’t like it.

If you’re not getting fucked within New Jersey, you’re not even there.

Whenever we meet somebody from out-of-state, we’re pumped. We’re pumped to have them there, so many questions. Then Nashvegas, that’s one of the best stops in the country.

That was the most hung-over I’ve ever been. Imagine drinking in Nashville and then waking up and driving to Jersey for thirteen hours. That was funny.

Nashville’s loud music, capital of the country, good people there too. I love the country music.

I was listening to Joe Rogan podcast with Chris Stapleton. I listened to his music, that guy is a soulful genius. I was baffled. I was like, “Another country singer.” Nope.

That was the first time I saw Rogan starstruck. He’s the man. I have come to conclude that I like all types of music as long as it’s got soul in it. Anything, any genre.

Anything to books, music. If you can feel some soul in there, then you’re good.

Van Morrison is probably my favorite human on the planet.

He sang other songs besides Brown Eyed Girl. My number one favorite album by far above all else is Astral Weeks by Van Morrison. If you like music, you listen to that album, it’s the best.

What’s your favorite one on that one? Is that with Caravan?

No, it’s with Sweet Thing. Astral Weeks has not even any hits on it. You just listen to it from beginning to end and it’s perfect. We got to see him at the Hollywood Bowl. We were a little drunk for that but it was awesome. People were yelling at us because we were singing too much.

The woman behind us was like, “Can you sit down?” We were like, “We’re at a concert.” I want to pick your brain a little bit, I’ve heard you’re going to sales mode. After surfing, I would just chill and I would listen to you in your room just pitching it and people were feeling it. What’s your thing with sales? What do you think the go-to move there is?

My dad owns a software company. He makes a specific software for a specific industry.

Your dad is also an absolute legend. If you look up to somebody when you’re young, I obviously looked up to my dad, I still look up to him, but I wish I actually listened and acted on it. I listened and I heard everything he said and didn’t act once. Looking back on it I’m like, “Shit, he was right about it all.”

Until you get it, how could you know? You can take advice and act on what someone’s telling you, but where is the fun if you don’t experience it yourself?

I’ve experienced some hilarious things that my dad probably tried to steer me away from. Now, I know he was right on 99%.

It wasn’t like he lets you do things.

Yeah, but he would just tell me I was an idiot. He would just be flat out like, “You’re a moron.” It really helped because if you don’t have anybody telling you you’re a moron, you’ll actually think you’re the smartest person in the world. I’m not. I’m an idiot.

Your uncle did something with the internet, right?

Yes. Not a lot of people know this but my uncle, he was one of the founding partners at a company called USRobotics. I think it was back in the late ‘70s or early ‘80s. They built one of the first modems that connect you to the internet. He was one of the head designers.

What year was this?

I think it was the ‘80s. I’m not exactly sure.

This was not even a blip on the radar for anybody using computers yet?

I believe he worked with Steve Jobs back in the day to get the modems into Macs because at that time the personal computer was blowing up. He was a founding partner of this company. They actually sold it ten years ago up in the billions.

He helped connect people to the internet. He helped people log on to the internet.

Remember that dial-up? That was what they did. It was one of the first ones. He died before his time, before he could collect on those billions.

How long after did he pass away after that?

His whole goal was he wanted to be a millionaire by the time he was 30. I think he was 28 or 29 when he became millionaire. He was big time but he died at 32 or 33.

How did he even get into that? Your dad and his family, they grew up owning a deli, right?

They owned a bakery. My grandpa owned a bakery. My uncle, Stephen Muka, he was just so smart that he was awkward, like very, very awkward. He was my dad’s oldest brother. My dad is the youngest of five brothers. He was just insanely awkward because he was so smart. He graduated high school in three years, went to a college, I think it’s called the Einstein College. It was in the middle of the desert in Vegas or Nevada. They actually think that’s why he got cancer because they were doing a lot of nuclear testing at the time in Nevada. A lot of kids actually that went to that smart school got cancer. The funny thing is that my grandparents saw that in him. They saw that he was so smart but he was awkward and it made his life outside of being smart really difficult. It was hard for him to socialize with people.

Almost like a savant?

Yeah. The rest of the brothers tried to suppress being smart because they didn’t want my dad to live an awkward life like his oldest brother. Until my dad was in high school, he was in remedial classes. You know my dad, he’s a smart, smart guy. He’s a self-made genius. They tried to make him not smart up until high school. He said he was in this remedial class where it’s like more teachers than students kind of thing. He said the moment where it hit that he had to be smart was this kid walked into the corner of the class and faced the corner, the wall, and my dad was like, “What the hell is going on?” The kid turned around with his finger in between his button pretending like he had his takeout. He just walked around in the class like that and my dad was like, “I’ve got to get the hell out of here.” Ever since then, he decided to be smart I guess. My dad makes software and I’m the one to sell it. I went to school for software engineering. The only thing that I could say is different between the way that I have to sell and a car salesman is that it’s a more educated sales. I can’t walk up to a random on the street and sell somebody the software. It’s very specific. They have to want it and I just have to prove to them that it’s going to give them what they want. It’s actually easy for me and my dad made a great program. My tactic for sales is don’t blow it. That’s it and I’m lucky enough that I don’t blow it.

Then, you’ve got to go to the parts of the country that buy it and then teach these people which must be very frustrating because I wouldn’t know how to use it.

It’s very frustrating. Think about it, these people, they make concrete. They make structures out of concrete. These guys are tough guys that are blue collar and now they have to use a computer and they are just like, “What the fuck?”

They want you to be like, “That’s why we bought the system.”

The patience is tested on a daily basis.

I don’t know if you want to leak the info out here yet, but I think the couple ideas you have for books right now are game changers.

I finished the first book I ever started. I remember Pecca was saying that one of the other friends wanted to start writing. The first thing that I’ll have to say is that it took me over five or six months to get the first page done. Just to get something that first of all, I had never read before and then something that I liked. I would say the two things that I would say to anybody that wants to write is that there are only two aspects, at least for me. There are writers like Jim Harrison. He wrote Legends of the Fall in nine days. Not me, I could never do that. I’m not a genius like that.

Every writer has got their different process.

It’s actually cool to read about them. I actually like what Hemingway did. He got up every morning. I actually read somewhere else that this tactic is really good for writing because when you wake up in the morning, there’s this part of your brain that worries and that thinks too much and that tries to solve all the world’s problems which is asleep still when you first wake up. The first hour that you’re awake, I think it’s the frontal cortex or something like that that worries is still dormant. At that point, you can really write. You don’t think about like, “Am I writing something bad? Is this bad? What am I writing?” You don’t think like that. You just write. Then at night, I’ll go back and read it again and figure out what was good and what was bad. What I would tell anybody are these two words, time. Just putting in the time writing. That’s the hardest part.

It’s like anything. You’ve got to work to get good at it. Most people will just be like, “I’m not writing.”

“I’m not inspired. I’m not at best.” You just have to just try and write. It’s putting in the time and then having a good taste. Once you write and you go back and read it, it’s up to you to have the good taste to keep the shit that’s good and don’t have any ego to keep shit that’s bad just because you wrote it. Just because you wrote it doesn’t mean it’s good. You actually have to take a step back and pretend you’re reading the book and see if it’s still good, which is also really hard because you tend to fall in love with the shit that you write just because you wrote it. Same thing goes for beats to. When I’m making beats, I’ll love something and then I’ll send it to Brandon Dinkin and he’ll be like, “It’s okay.” I’m like, “What do you mean it’s okay? I just made it and it’s awesome.” But it’s not always the case.

I think a lot of people get too caught up if it’s good or not. Just make it. Don’t think like, “I don’t think this is going to work.” If you just make it, put it out. A lot of people want to edit everything, go back and edit. Even for the podcast, the first couple, I was editing a lot and then I just put it out and let it flow. If you can change one person’s mind about something, I feel like you’ve done your job; just one person.

I realized how I think through writing. When I write something and it’ll just come to me and I didn’t even know I was thinking it. It just came out and I ended up liking it.

I feel like a lot of people are trying to reach the masses right away.

You’ve got to like it yourself. If you have a good taste and you like it, then other people will like it. That’s why reading is key. You understand what it is that makes a good book and then if you can read your own book and read it and like it, then that’s the ideal.

Some of my favorite podcast episodes I have, I think they’re absolute dingers and then don’t get any feedback from it. Then I think one’s okay, then one person was like, “That one was really good.” I was like, “Thank you. I didn’t even notice people would enjoy that.”

I love a couple of your podcasts. The one obviously with Alessi was unbelievable. That kid is one of a kind. Then there is the one with the guy that was saying he works with hockey players and he was saying, “Just understand that emotions just come up and down and you just go with it. Don’t try to analyze every single thing. It’s just there.”

That was Garret Kramer. He just had a regular job and just had an awakening one day and he just ran with it. He had no idea what he was doing but he kept making blogs and putting it out there. Zach Parise’s ’s father, who was a really good hockey player, read it one day, hit him up, and that’s how he got to the NHL.

The first book that I finished, it’s a funny way to look at social media and how we interact with it through just hilarious drunk character who thinks a girl doesn’t exist because he can’t find her own social media.

That’s what everybody does these days. You meet somebody and you’re like, “Let’s see what her pictures are like.”

If you don’t find this girl, it starts to freak you out. That’s the one that I finished. I started thinking about if people want to write, what I find is that you got to go with what you find funny first because underneath something funny is always some level of complete and utter sadness. Anything that you say that’s funny, truth and normally sad truth. I always start with what’s absolutely hilarious, which is us going online and not finding a girl and being like, “What the fuck?” and then underneath it is something like sad shit.

I think you really got something because this is funny and true too, The Marriage Lease. That is a game changer.

I’m working on that one right now. The basis is really like imagine that instead of you getting married for your whole life, you sign a lease. Every three years, you have to re-up the marriage lease or you’re out. Both of you have to do it. The concept is you’re married for three years, you have to take a three-month break from your partner. It’s legal and then you both have to sign back on without talking to each other. After that three months, you can’t call him and be like, “Are you going to sign?” You just have to both re-sign and then if one of the other people doesn’t sign then you’re not fucking married anymore.

A lot of people has some interesting takes on marriage. My one cousin who I had on the podcast, Chris Moynihan, he’s not married but he’s like, “Why do I need to get married? We love each other. Why do we need the government to step in and sign papers and everything?” It’s interesting.

I started writing it thinking, “This would be awesome.” I’m writing it and I’m like, “This would fucking suck. It would suck. Marriage is fine the way it is.” That’s how I’m seeing it right now and tomorrow I could be like, “Actually, this is a good idea.”

You see a lot of people especially our age starting to get married. This is completely my opinion. Some of those people are actually head over heels in love, “Let’s do it,” and then my personal opinion after you have some people looking around like, “This is what I should do next just because this is what everyone’s doing.”

Those people are fucked in the long run. This is something that I came through writing. It’s actually hilarious. People will go an entire lifetime of hating their situation to avoid a ten-minute conversation. Just to avoid that break-up conversation, they will stay with the person for way too long.

The anxiety of thinking about breaking up with somebody and staying in it is probably the worst feeling in the world. It takes over your entire life. It’s what you’re thinking about when you’re not with the person, when you’re with the person.

People will go their whole lives just avoiding it.

They stay in it. I feel like when divorce didn’t exist in ‘40s, ‘50s, people were just pushing through because that’s what they have to do. That being said, I’ve never been married and I have no idea.

This book is tough to write just because I’ve never been married. I’ve been in relationships but marriage is a whole different ball game. I might have to shelve it until I’m married.

You might have a different perspective on it.

Exactly, which is what I was going back to when you read something. When you read something as an 18-year-old or 25-year-old and when I read something as a 40-year-old, it’s all going to be different.

Remember at the time, it sounded like a good idea I was going to get that huge quote on my back tattooed for my dad. I was like, “This is going to be awesome.” I didn’t do it thank God but five years later I was like, “What the fuck was I thinking?” That would have been awful. It’s funny how quotes and literature in itself and songs, it can mean one thing to you at one point in your life and then next, it means absolutely nothing to you.

It’s just the way the fucking brain works. That’s what actually inspired me for that first book I wrote was seeing people post absolutely garbage quotes on Instagram. That shit is so funny to me.

With social media, honestly, I think you should have to pass a test to go on there. Think about if anybody is going to care about this post before you post it or go talk to somebody. Everybody has the ability to just throw it out there now. Everybody’s got a voice and that’s a great thing.

It makes for some great comedy.

It’s cool that you can literally reach people all around the world. With whatever you do, someone’s not going to like it and someone’s going to love it.

I actually was looking at this sign, “Feeling versus function.” You have to somehow write your feelings in a way that serves a purpose, feeling and function in one sentence. That’s actually the hardest part.

Some of the people I adjust, they won’t feel anything for two weeks or three weeks. I’m like, “Hang in there. It’s going to click,” and it eventually does. You and a couple of other people including myself, when I get adjusted, it’s immediate and my world just opens up. If I’m out of alignment, I can’t write. It’s almost like the flow just gets cut off.

It’s the flow state. It’s just not even existing. Every time I come here I forget that I need it. I forget them. I go about my life for a month and I think I’m fine and then I come here and I go and write again. Tomorrow morning I’ll be like, “What was I doing?”

I honestly think this entire world would be a different place if people’s atlases were in adjustment.

I’m not here to be like, “Getting adjusted cures cancer,” or maybe you could. What I would say is that the whole point of medicine is to make you feel better. Just to make you feel better, not be in pain, whatever it is, and that’s exactly what this does for me. I feel better and that’s good enough for me.

The whole thing with this is it’s inside out, not outside in. Your body has the complete ability to heal itself. All we’re doing is removing the interference so you can function as your best self. It’s something that no pill, no other thing can really give you until you actually experience it and you get connected again.

The crazy parts of me is the health system right now. Just give pills for everything. There’s a pill for everything. There’s a pill for when you feel depressed about the first pill that you’re on.

There are side effects that people need to get put on, other drugs because of the side effects of the first drug. Some pills will give you stomach pain or headaches and then they add on another one. Then, people are on ten different medications before they know it. Our bodies were just not made to function like that. Thanks for coming on. I appreciate it.

Thank you for having me. Let’s do it again.

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