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Heal Yourself with Kristine Timpert

6 years ago

Kris Timpert is a CHEK practitioner out of Morristown, New Jersey. She is the only level four CHEK practitioner in the state and above all, she is an extraordinary healer. She has been through some extraordinary adversity in her life and has always found a way to battle through and come out the other side of the tunnel. She is an amazing person with an extremely inspiring story. It is an honor to have her on the podcast today. Please welcome, Kris Timpert.


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Heal Yourself with Kristine Timpert

Kris, where are you from?

I’m from Warren, New Jersey.

Did you go to high school in Warren?

Yeah, I did. I graduated from Watchung Hills Regional High School.

What were you into growing up? Were you into sports? Were you into other things?

I was into survival. I originally started in Warren, New Jersey. When I was four years old my mom ripped me out of bed in the middle of the night and put me in a car with my brother and sister with the man I recognized but didn’t know. We drove to Michigan. I didn’t see my father after that. On the way to Michigan, I got my first beating from this gentleman. Then I ended up living with my mother in Michigan. It was a very abusive childhood. In fact, I didn’t even have a childhood.

What do you mean you recognized him?

My mom would take him out on dates or she would go to the movies with him and bring me and then I would come home to my dad. I’d call him the broken man because his car broke down once. Then I was getting smart, my dad would say, “Who’s the broken man?” Then my mom stopped taking me out with them. I recognized him but I didn’t actually know what was happening. My mother was actually pregnant and she was leaving my father. She packed my brother and sister up and took us.

Was that like a weekly thing, getting beat up like that?

EM 020 | Heal Yourself Heal Yourself: What happens to us as little kids, we develop a certain behavioral pattern that then we become unconscious to.

I will tell you that as a little kid I think I was so busy surviving I blocked a lot of stuff out as a young person. For me, my stepfather was very verbally and physically abusive. I was a real smartass. It’s very, very interesting that we’re talking about this right now. I’d like the opportunity to bring this conversation back down the road. It’s very interesting that what happens to us as little kids, we develop a certain behavioral pattern that then we become unconscious to. For me, when I would get physically abused by my stepfather, I would disassociate, I would leave my body. I would leave my body behind me to take the abuse while I saved my soul in a sense.

As I got older, I then used my body as a weapon. I was always a very aggressive woman and I would just go attack people and set people on fire, basically with the mindset, “Screw everyone for giving me such a horrific childhood and using my body like a Sherman tank.” Still having no respect for myself and being completely disassociated from my body. This is just a realization I’m getting now as a 55-year-old woman. I stayed in Michigan about three years before I nearly died eating baby aspirin because we had no food. There was food for dinner but you were never allowed to take anything in the house. I was very hungry and I came across some orange baby aspirin in the medicine cabinet and it tasted really good. I kept going back until it was gone.

How old were you at this point?

I was probably six years old, something like that. Rushed to the hospital, stomach pumped, life saved. I don’t remember how it happened but at some point I got permission to go visit my father. He sent me an airline ticket and I flew by myself back to New Jersey again to my dad. It was July. I had a long-sleeved sweater dress on that was full of holes. My teeth were rotten. I was black and blue. I came to my dad and I’m like, “Please don’t make me go back.” He was like, “You don’t have to go back there.” I didn’t. I never went back. My mom made one phone call saying, “Where is Kristine?” My dad said, “She’s not coming back.” That was that.

Your younger siblings, they were your half-siblings?

Yeah, she had two children with him but I have an older sister and an older brother.

What was it like after that moving to New Jersey? Was it much better?

Yeah, at first it was really awesome because I got to eat whatever I wanted and I could go to the food store and buy all the Yankee Doodles and all the garbage food I wanted. I shopped through the Sears Catalog. That’s back when they used to have the Garanimals. I didn’t know anything about matching clothing, so I would match the zebra shirt with the zebra pants kind of thing. Life was really good. My dad was an alcoholic. He started drinking when my mom left. He was broken hearted. It started to get where dad wouldn’t come home and then somebody would be knocking on the door, I would open the door, it would be a police officer. The officer would say, “Your father has been incarcerated.” They would take me and bring me to a foster home. Things like that would happen and then I would get really good at not answering the door. His alcoholism and his drinking, dad would either be drunk in this chair or in that chair. That was just a completely different situation.

That was all through high school too?

Yeah. He drank so much that I stopped buying him alcohol. He used to have it delivered. He would have delivered twelve cases of beer a week and a couple of bottles of hard liquor that he never talked to me about. It got really bad. He was a carpenter and he got hurt on the job at one point, so then he couldn’t work anymore. He ended up winning a Workman’s Compensation Case. He got a pile of money. Unfortunately, he passed away of cirrhosis. I buried him on my 25th birthday.

After high school, with all these going on, did you have a feeling like, “I need to get out of here. I want to get up and leave,” or did you stick around?

No. When I graduated high school, my dad has just lost his license for the third time. The last time it was for ten years. I was the only person that lived with him. I wanted so much to go to college. I was in theater at the time. I did so many plays and I always got the leading role. I had a wonderful British accent at the time. I really, really loved it. At one point, I was asked to join the group but I was too young and my dad said no. There was no money to go to college. I have never been encouraged and I barely graduated high school with the skin of my teeth.

That’s an accomplishment in itself with all the stuff you went through. I don’t know many people that would have been able to do that.

I was definitely resilient. It’s an interesting thing, the thing I learned as a kid, like I said to you my stepfather would do awful things. I would call him a chicken head. I would make fun of him and then he would just beat me more. I had to continually create situations so I could show everybody, “Look how tough I am. Look what I can do. I can do it.” I carried that dysfunction for a really long time.

Kris, what put you on this beautiful healing path that you’re on now? Obviously, that was the start of it probably?

EM 020 | Heal Yourself Heal Yourself: That was just a necessary set of experiences I was supposed to have to make me who I am today.

That was just a necessary set of experiences I was supposed to have to make me who I am today. It’s the only way to really look at it. What it was is I was really dysfunctional. I did a lot of drugs when I was younger, smoking cigarettes. When I met my former husband, he was very athletic and he was a football star, he was well-known and he looked like Mr. Wonderful. He taught me how to exercise, helped me quit smoking. He’s the one that really got me into fitness. What actually catalyzed everything is that I got myself into great shape and I was always really awesome at walking on my hands, nobody could do it better than me. After I had my son, I went out to visit my brother. I got on my hands to show them how good it was and I felt something funny in my neck. The interesting thing is I probably subluxed my atlas. There was no way to know that at that time and I had this pain in my scapula. I ended up going to a doctor, prescribed physical therapy. They did neck extensions every session week after week until I lost the use of my left arm. I started getting very scared.

Long story short, two cervical discs were shoved in to my spinal cord about three quarters of the way. Surgery became necessary. I had major surgery to remove the C6-C7 disc and to have a piece of my hipbone put in. That was one thing. Then of course trying to get in shape and recover, it took nine months to recover from that. Then of course then Mr. Fitness said, “We have to get in shape again. Let’s start squatting.” He loaded up an Olympic bar, the total weight was 100 pounds. I said, “I’ve never squatted like that before.” He’s like, “All women start with this. It will be perfectly fine.” Long story short on the third rep, a thoracic disc popped, T6. I fell apart physically. I really wanted to get in shape and I was doing that body challenge, Body For Life, it was a Bill Phillips’ challenge. I was doing 100 crunches or more every single day. I was determined not to let this get me down so I pushed myself until I bent over one day when my son spilled some cereal and I blew my low back. I was in a place where now I was in pain all the time. I had to figure it out. That’s what started everything really.

Where did you go from there?

I went to every doctor you could think of who all told me that there would be good days and bad days for the rest of my life. I was like, “No. That’s unacceptable.” I thought, “I’m going to become an A certified trainer.” I pursued that path to do that.

When you say that, do you mean like the people you see at the gym, like a workout trainer?

Yeah, at the time I thought being A certified was like the MD behind your name. I thought, “Wow, that’s awesome.” I studied a year and then I went into NYU in New York to take the test. I’m taking this multiple-question test and I get down to this one question that says, “One day Fat Suzzie doesn’t show up for her workout. One of the trainers tells you that she’s drinking. Do you tell that trainer it’s not their business? Do you have a drink with Fat Suzzie?” It was some stupid thing like that, and I just lost it right there. I had just put a year of effort into learning about the body and it was a joke. The test for me, it was an absolute joke. But because I did that, I got a little brochure in the mail from the C.H.E.K Institute and it was about this DVD called Equal But Not The Same about training women. I ordered it. When I got it, Paul’s lecture was so awesome that I applied the knowledge and within a year I was awesome. My back was amazing.

You were just watching the DVD and doing this at your house and just doing all the exercises, and you pretty much were able to heal yourself?

It was the anatomy. He was lecturing on anatomy, on this and that. I did what he said. That’s when I said, “I’m going to meet him.” I met him in New York and told him that I was going to be the best C.H.E.K practitioner he ever had. I was so determined, “This is what I’m going to do.”

What did he say?

I’m sure he was used to that stuff. He was very happy to hear my story and that he had helped me and excited of course as anybody would be for a student that was going to come follow them. Back in the day when I did this, I was very fortunate because every class that I took, Paul Chek was there. You can’t do that today. I got to be with him for every class.

I heard about Chek probably within the last year. That’s why I’m very excited to learn about it. For those who don’t know who Paul Chek, who is Paul Chek?

I don’t know his full history but he’s basically somebody that spent a lot of time studying a lot of people and how they heal the body and then putting a bunch of people’s information together. He figured out his own way. I know he ran a physical therapy center for a while. He was outstanding at getting people better when nobody else could. If you look into all the things he’s done, the books and the DVDs and the courses that he’s designed, it’s incredible. His offering in getting people better through biomechanics is just incredible.

He has helped some world renowned athletes like Laird Hamilton and many other people, right?

Yes, and still works I believe with Laird Hamilton. I had the pleasure of spending a whole Friday evening with Danny Way, the skateboarder that jumped The Great Wall of China with a broken ankle by the way. I had that pleasure of being with Ryan Hughes, the motocrosser, he lacerated his liver on a fall. Shaun White came to train. I think at one point, he broke his jaw or something. Every time I would go out to California, there was always somebody. This is at the time Paul had a really beautiful institute in Vista; beautiful gym. He moved around. It started in Encinitas and then it went to Vista. The institute closed down. Now, Paul has a house that he uses as an office and has a couple of bay garage set up as a gym. He doesn’t do so much. The classes get brought to other locations now.

There are different levels to the C.H.E.K practitioner thing. You are the only level four certified C.H.E.K practitioner in New Jersey, is that correct?


What I was pretty much amazed with your initial consultation is the in-depth process and exercises and range of emotion and muscle symmetry that you use. Can you go into what’s different about your analysis and how in-depth it is and what you’re looking for?

EM 020 | Heal Yourself Heal Yourself: What I found is that helping people get out of pain, you’ve got to look at a lot of things.

Sure. Although I got a lot from the C.H.E.K Institute, I’ve also spent a lot of time with physical therapists and other people. I had so many clients over the years to work with. What I found is that helping people get out of pain, you’ve got to look at a lot of things. That’s why the first thing I honestly look for first is I sit and talk to somebody because I want to know all about their life. I want to know how their relationships are. I tried to do it in a way that isn’t so obvious just so I can get a feel for where they are emotionally. I don’t mean to sound crazy talking like that.

I’m a firm believer in that as well.

It’s shown the science of the brain, people than tend to hold on to anger have a lot of different kinds of issues. I do associate emotional pain with physical pain. Then I do also look at the posture. I know there are a lot of professionals out there that they’ll say posture doesn’t really have anything to do when it comes to pain. I don’t think you can really say that across the board. I think sometimes it actually does. I looked for C1 subluxations. Mainly the first thing I do is I look at the posture and then I measure the muscles to see what’s going on with them. Are the chest muscles too tight or the back muscles too weak, etc.? When I’m done, I’m able to identify the posture they have, see where the problems are and then I get into the nervous system into what I call their software is wired. I want to see, can you squat? Can you lounge? How do you do it? How is your brain? Are you guarded when you picked something up? It’s really a lot. I tried to look at every human being as much of a wide lens as I can.

You look at people as a whole. I love how you brought up the emotional stuff too because I think personally in my opinion, 100% can cause pain and suffering. If you’re holding on to all that anger and your body is tight and tense, I don’t think it definitely does translate into the muscles, into the posture. Some people probably come to you and they’re really open about that stuff but you also have the other end of the spectrum where people probably don’t even want to tell you anything. How do you unlock that?

A lot of people don’t come open. A lot of people come saying they’re open but as soon as you want to meet them that way, they close up really quickly. This is one thing that’s from Paul Chek, you study all your biomechanics and then when you get to level four he says, “Just forget everything I ever taught you.” Again I don’t want to sound crazy but you create a loving environment for that person. You just have to love them. You just have to make them feel safe and make them feel valued and guide them. They heal themselves to some degree through their positive outlook. You’re cheering them on. It’s just amazing the results. I try so hard to let people know how passionate I am about helping them, how I’m there for them and I try to make myself available however I can for that person. When I’m with them I’m giving them 150% of my attention and my time. That’s how I try to get through to those. Then over time when they get exposed to that, that’s when they start to open and that’s when all the changes start to happen. They almost always leave me open than when they came close.

You can feel that in your consultations. Definitely you care more than a lot of people do and it’s very good to know. You do feel better leaving your office because it’s an amazing feeling that you’re going to do anything to help that person get the best possible life that they can live. Kris, why were you seeking out Upper Cervical?

Because I’m a fusion. When I did one of the C.H.E.K classes, C.H.E.K level three is all about the neck and the shoulders, when I did that class I was still traumatized over having to have my spine fused in a surgery where I had to sign a paper saying, “Yes, you could be paralyzed in this procedure.” I didn’t understand myself well enough to see that I was blocking the information. Paul would talk about the neck and it would just creep me out. I blocked it out. I got through my level three class and learned a lot of good things. Paul teaches atlas adjustment and different things to physical therapists and professionals but I was not in that. I didn’t have that education and I was never going to use that information. Being a fusion, what happened is over a period of time, all of a sudden one day I went to move a certain way in a stretch and I couldn’t move my body. I was frozen. It was the most bizarre feeling. I just felt like something was off. Then I went to a physical therapist and a regular chiropractor and I thought I knew enough about things but I just started getting more pain in the body and nobody could help me.

Then I went into a workshop where Paul was teaching in New York and I told him about. He just looked at me and he’s like, “It’s your atlas. You’re a fusion. Go see a cervical.” Whatever it was, it was necessary. I went to a different Upper Cervical. The person just wasn’t manipulating my neck so much that it started to become more traumatizing just to go there. Then of course I found Dr. Banitch and then you. With the other particular chiropractor, I was watching people have to constantly go for visits and it was so-so with the results. When I started referring to Dr. Banitch it was instantaneous. People are 90% better.

That’s what I love about the technique. I don’t know another technique chiropractically that can do so much for a person in one visit. Essentially, if you get the upper cervical back in line, the body starts to heal. If they hold for long periods of time, you don’t need another adjustment and the body is healing itself. It’s amazing what you see over time; people get their lives back.

Then everybody knows when their atlas goes out.

Yeah, you start to know your body. It’s great stuff. It saved my life too.

It’s good stuff, so you make me look good.

You make me look good too so it’s a great relationship.

I appreciate that. Thank you.

What are the follow-up visits after you do the initial consultation? I know everybody is different, but what are some of the areas you have to work with people in long-term?

EM 020 | Heal Yourself Heal Yourself: I’m so focused on just getting people back to being balanced.

Everybody is different but I teach everybody the same thing. I’ve become my own person. I’m so focused on just getting people back to being balanced. Everybody pretty much gets the same thing. They just get it at different times, or exercises have to be regressed or sometimes I can ascend them. I try to get everybody to a deadlift. I try to get everybody to aggressive rotation eventually over time. That’s the dream to get somebody to be able to do a walking lounge with rotation. A lot of these people that are coming to me are older. I get a lot of clients in their 70’s. You can imagine the process. A lot of them are golfers and things like that, so everybody wants to dive in rotation but they have such terrible forward posture that they can’t rotate. My point is I tried to get everybody to the same place. It’s the methods that I used to get everybody there is different.

People come see you for a variety of different reasons. It could be low back pain, shoulder pain, headaches, pretty much anything, right?

Yeah. The people that I get come to me because they’ve been everywhere else. They heard from somebody that I could help and there’s been no hope. That’s the hardest part of my job at this time in my life because a lot of people don’t know about me. They’ll come in and say, “I’ll give you six sessions to get me better.”

What do you say to that?

“Okay.” Even if somebody says to me, “I can only work with you once a month. I can only come once a year.” There are people out there that might say, “I’m not working with you.” I figure any exposure to anything is still a good thing. It’s better than nothing. You just do what you can. You do everything you can for the other person. I didn’t have clients that I have to work with on Skype to try to watch them exercise because they live in other parts of the country.

One thing I noticed about you, Kris, is you handle adversity differently than most people I’ve ever met. It’s a beautiful thing. What exactly are you going through right now? You are a very, very strong woman and I admire you, you’re one of my heroes. It’s amazing to see what you’re doing.

I so appreciate those kinds words, Kevin. Thank you so much. I have just recovered from a second cancer surgery. It’s just one of those things. The first time in 2014, my belly was growing. I went to all different doctors and I said, “My tummy is growing.” They all kept saying, “At your age, it’s just the fibroid. You’re fine.” Until it was a rare cancer on my uterus that broke a hole through the uterus and I nearly bled to death. It’s only because that happened, now I had a reoccurrence recently. I haven’t had to do chemotherapy, I’ve chosen to do chemotherapy twice. It’s been a horrible experience for sure, but I’ve used it to my maximum. Until cancer came into my life, I never realized how arrogant that I was. I never realized how empty I was as a person. At 52, my body was just perfect. I had a flat abdominal wall and I would walk around like, “How are you eating? Are you eating garbage? What are you eating that for?” I had to be right. I was so much better than them because I had it figured out.

When I walked into the infusion center for my first chemo treatment, I was the fittest one in the room. That was really very eye-opening for me as a person. I learned in that moment when the overweight nurse would come over to help get me set up, when the voice in my head wanted to tell her she should watch her diet, another voice rose at me and said, “You can just shut up, Kris. She’s not in this chair.” It’s continually teaching me. I’ve always wanted to get softer and softer, I think my childhood and my life forced me to be very aggressive and build a wall around myself and protect my heart. This experience is certainly teaching me humility. It’s teaching me how resilient I am. This is such a great opportunity because I’ve never really understood how powerful it is for the way you think. There’s a new documentary coming out, it’s called Heal, about how you can heal yourself. You can’t heal yourself unless you can catch how you’re unconsciously thinking.

I told you about my childhood. Thanks to a wonderful man, John McMullin of Journeys of Wisdom. He’s the most amazing holistic coach or life coach ever because he has a wonderful way of helping you see yourself. I’ve been reaching out to him. Because the cancer came back again, I realized that there is an emotional connection that I’m not finding. He was really wonderful. He doesn’t tell me anything. He lets me figure it out for myself. What I was telling you about before, when I was being abused as a child, as a six-year-old how I would disassociate from my body, I would leave my body to take the beating. Then I used my body to take the beating for me while I just went out there and had to be a badass basically. I’ve literally connected that I’ve never respected my body. I’m learning to apologize to it and to love it and respect it now. It’s just a perspective.

EM 020 | Heal Yourself Heal Yourself: To stay focus in the place how I want it to be instead of constantly taking score of what it is or how it is.

There’s a guy out there, Joe Dispenza, I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of him. He’s a PhD in Neuroscience. He has a book called Evolve Your Brain and You Are The Placebo. He’s a really interesting person. He talks a lot about how this work is really important, like how I had to learn all the other stuff when I was severely injured. I had to learn how to get my body strong again. Now I’m learning how do you heal from something like this, which is a big deal. It’s a serious illness. How I feel that I have to do this now is I have to start to shift my perspective and to just stay focus in the future. To stay focus in the place how I want it to be instead of constantly taking score of what it is or how it is and not to live in fear anymore. To try to say, “This has given me so much to be grateful for.” Instead of being fearful of this cancer coming back, I’m going to live in gratitude of this cancer bringing me to a place of helping me understand myself better and appreciating more the people in my life. Wanting to live in a place of not needing to prove to everybody how smart I am but to just enjoy being in a world where I can enjoy relationships with other people and just be myself.

My hair of course is just growing back. I’m really learning for the first time to be happy in my body. I took my daughter to the mall and we were in Macy’s getting clothes for her back to college. I had a hat on to cover the stubble on my head. A song came on really loud in the store, “She doesn’t know she’s perfect. She doesn’t understand she’s worth it.” I popped the hat off and I was just like, “Yeah,” and just kept it off the whole time. I might never have known that. I might never have had that opportunity to know myself from my own personal experience.

It’s definitely made you a better person realizing it too, right?

It certainly made me feel a lot better about the person that I am, that’s for sure. I am hopeful that I would really enjoy the opportunity to get through this situation and then dedicate my life to helping other people try to find another perspective or anybody that’s interested. I don’t mean I want to walk around and try to shove the knowledge down people. I don’t mean it that way. It would be so nice if I should interact with somebody in that position that I would have that opportunity to share something that they might be able to make use of in some way. Like if you’re going to drive to Florida and I tell you about this road that I know that will save you five hours on your trip and you say, “Thanks a lot.” I don’t want that to sound arrogant. I just mean it from a place that it would be very satisfying for me after going through. It’s very challenging when you lose your organs like that, to lose my uterus where my kids grew, was very emotional. A part of me, I think, is still grieving about that, to lose how you saw your body and then to just go through all those drugs. It’s just a lot. In order to give back or pay it forward a little bit would just feel very satisfying and would reinforce that it was necessary and that it mattered and it meant something. Did that make sense?

**Absolutely. It’s almost when you lose your physical body, some attribute you don’t know who you are because that’s what you were so connected to with. I mean nothing like you went through but when I had all my ice hockey concussions, I couldn’t workout. I couldn’t do a pushup without the whole room spinning or I couldn’t read a book. I lost 30-40 points probably. I couldn’t identify with my body anymore. I was ashamed of how skinny I was getting. I couldn’t do the things I wanted to do and I was almost like, “Who am I now? I can’t do anything physical.” I was fortunate enough to get my strength back and be able to workout again and get my life back. It was a rough time period. Now, I’m so grateful that I can do pushups again and I can workout again. I got that different perspective and it flipped around. It was very rewarding and I’m glad it happened.

It’s like you don’t have to whip yourself anymore so you can matter and be somebody. That’s awesome. I was so happy to meet you when you came to my studio. You’re so refreshing that you’re a man and you’re open. I call you the new macho, a man that can talk about how he felt emotionally kinder. That’s just so nice.

Kris, I wanted to talk about your book you wrote too. The copy you gave me, I read it. It’s beautiful. It’s a beautiful book. How would you describe it?

I so appreciate that with that particular book. My kids just had a conversation with me about this book. My son was like, “You’ve got to rewrite it.” My daughter was like, “You’ve got to redo this.” If Babies Were Buddhas is an interesting thing because back in the day when I connected, I didn’t have a childhood, I’ve had a very abusive life and never knew what love was, searching, searching. Thanks to Paul Chek, thanks to John McMullin, thanks to people in my life, I finally was like, “I never realized I’m somebody else that I never even knew was there.” I put this book out, I thought it was a great way to let people know, “Yes, you’ve been beaten. Yes, you’ve been this. Yes, life isn’t giving you what you think. Maybe you’re really beautiful. Maybe you’re really innocent. Maybe there’s something wonderful about you. Maybe life really is perfect.” I guess the way that I wrote it, it’s like everybody doesn’t understand it. People pick it up and they go, “Huh?” That’s the only thing that if I had to do it all over again, I would have taken more time. I do believe in my heart of hearts that I will at some point redo it and rewrite it.

There are still a lot of people that connect with me that call me, that order copies, that want to meet me. There’s something about how just the way it’s written that my children don’t understand, lets the person experiencing it have their own experience. You can make it into whatever you want it to be. It’s just supposed to be loving. That’s book is nothing compared to what’s coming. There are much better books on the horizon.

What do you got coming? Can you talk about that?

Yeah. You have an octopus on your head.

I saw that at the end of the first book.

EM 020 | Heal Yourself Heal Yourself: It’s no time to be creative when a Bengal tiger is chasing you down.

It’s even better now. All these things, I was just getting ready to bring a lot of things out when cancer happened again. It’s been three years that I’ve been moving through this place. It’s no time to be creative when a Bengal tiger is chasing you down. It’s all about your body, it’s all about survival, it’s all about going within, it’s all about doing what you have to do to protect yourself basically. All of my creativity has just puffed. The real offering, and this is just a made-up title in my head is called Filming Until I’m Empty. It’s like a creative memoir but a lot of creative narrative where I get to add a little bit. That’s a really good story. Of course, I have another one I’m working on, What Your Doctor Won’t Tell You, What Your Trainer Doesn’t Know. I’m right now at a place where some things are almost done, some things were just drafted but like I said, I keep bumping into these things. I think what they’re doing is they’re making it so that when I finish these projects they really will be better. I won’t make the mistake that I did. If Babies Were Buddhas is really beautiful, it does meet you where you are.

I wouldn’t say it was a mistake. I think it’s beautifully written and you put it out there. You could have not published it. A lot of people are afraid to publish things or make things because it’s not perfect yet and they wait. You put it out there, you can always redo it. I’m glad you put it out there.

I really appreciate that. It is supposed to be just loving and it has a very loving message to it. The only people that really don’t hear the message are the ones that can’t even entertain the idea that they could be worthy of love. The Crunches book is actually a really good book, it’s just it’s got a cover on it that makes it look like a baby book but it’s really a joke book for adults. I have a lot of cleaning up to do basically. The good thing is, despite having to go through cancer twice, I’ve still managed to bring in clients and do the work. I’m a single mom taking care of myself. I’ve built that enough where I hope at some point to be able to finish these projects and share them.

Not only myself but every client of mine that goes to you just speaks to high heavens of you. It’s just unbelievable. Thank you for coming on today and sharing your story and putting all the cards out on the table and being honest. I love that. Thank you so much. We’d love to have you back anytime, Kris.

Thank you, Kevin. I really appreciate it. Thank you for the opportunity.

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